tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post2993622055927072505..comments2023-10-12T06:48:28.266-07:00Comments on Aviation Critic & Enthusiast: Light At The End Of The Tunnel (?)Phil Bellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02845059507310419482noreply@blogger.comBlogger266125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-50598726977048948072009-08-07T07:21:42.611-07:002009-08-07T07:21:42.611-07:00Ken said: Bubba--what "beautiful" jet do...Ken said: Bubba--what "beautiful" jet do you personally own? <br /><br />I own one that is the same year model as yours (2007?). It cost me roughly $6.5M more than your plane. It is owned and operated by my corporation. I also have a number of aircraft that I own personally. <br /><br />Just goes to prove even a Bubba can do OK in life. <br /><br />With regard to the moniker it can easily be changed to something like "Ken" or PlaneTruth. They seem to be one and the same to me. Tell me Ken, did you also have an imaginary friend as a child?<br /><br />The one thing that bothers me with people like Ken is that I'm afraid he will influence other people to make a poor decision. There are poor, uneducated fools out there who know nothing about airplanes. Some corporate business schmuck will ask Ken how he likes his plane and Ken will give him his Eclipse Fan Boy speech and the guy will rush out and buy a piece of crap airplane. This is the same dummy that buys a Lear 25 because it said "Lear" on the side of the plane and only cost $700K. Now he owns a jet - an outdated POS, but a jet.<br /><br />That same dummy will hire some young, time-building, hotshot, 1500 hour pilot to fly left seat and that guy will end up killing the corporate dummy's family in an unsafe airplane.<br /><br /> I've flown the Eclipse. Even though I considered the plane short, squatty, ugly and seriously unsafe I briefly considered buying one. I wasn't until I had a chance to fly one that I realized what the plane was really like. Unfortunately Ken did not have the opportunity to fly the E500 before plopping down the full purchase price. Had he been able to do so I suspect he would not have purchased the Eclipse. He would be flying a King Air, TBM, PC12, Mustang or something else. He IS a smart guy; but he made a mistake. A mistake that he now refuses to admit. I hope his Eclipse Fan Boy attitude doesn't influence someone else to make the same mistake. <br /><br />In the end I bought something larger and more expensive from Cessna. It was clear the E500 wasn't ready to deliver to the general flying public. It should have been (and still should be) classed as an experimental aircraft. I suppose in Europe it IS classed as something akin to experimental now that the type certificate has been pulled.<br /><br />If people wish to buy an Eclipse based upon the fact that it really is an experimental aircraft I have no problem with that. Just don't go around telling people it is a real live biz jet that is capable of competing with the likes of Cessna, Lear, HB, and the others. It really is nothing more than an advanced pilot's toy - something akin to a warbird!<br /><br />I think the FAA will someday look back upon the E500 certification process and decide it was their single greatest regulatory blunder. I think the pilot who fly them will be look upon by fellow aviators as something of a daredevil!Bruce Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03460605306526921729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-82092207348516674042009-08-07T01:11:19.878-07:002009-08-07T01:11:19.878-07:00the used/upgraded EA50 WILL BE THE LOW COST ANCHOR...the used/upgraded EA50 WILL BE THE LOW COST ANCHOR TO GA FAN JET MARKET.<br /><br /><br />compared with<br /><br />Now the low cost anchor is the used Mustang - a $3M (new) or $2.5M (used).<br /><br /><br />My point has been, while many folks may dump their ea50's for logical reasons, the low cost reasonable decision might really be your description of door number 2...<br /><br />I think this is the point we are discussing, and THAT's why the discussion of cost, all inclusive REAL, risk adjusted cost.... involves the discussion of all the things we've been considering.<br /><br />It really will matter what the EA50's NEW selling price will be, if ever, and this WILL impact what you are concerned with... what will be the lowest cost option, all things considered.<br /><br />The PASt as you put it, IS mportant, trying to see what the plane would cost new... how it will compare, and if there's a market at that price. Will the market drive the low cost UP... will the market be sizeavble and drive service cost down... what will happen...<br /><br />some predicted EAC demise, some kept the dream alive... who was right?airtaximanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12977944795556689805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-89252189675466898692009-08-06T22:31:29.342-07:002009-08-06T22:31:29.342-07:00New headline post is up!
(Whew! Just in a nick of...New headline post is up!<br /><br />(Whew! Just in a nick of time !! :)Phil Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02845059507310419482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-38972885334877469182009-08-06T22:04:32.897-07:002009-08-06T22:04:32.897-07:00Hi Ken,
I was on the verge of yielding to your wel...Hi Ken,<br />I was on the verge of yielding to your well considered parliamentary point of proper blog conduct...<br /><br />But yielding to a literal interpretation of that- or any- postings here, would set a dangerous precedent.<br /><br />I sincerely believe post in question is a pointed "zinger", rather than a personal insult.Phil Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02845059507310419482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-887820665403489542009-08-06T20:55:51.843-07:002009-08-06T20:55:51.843-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ken Meyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18308335985703210568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-57404128975951736382009-08-06T20:39:24.501-07:002009-08-06T20:39:24.501-07:00This forum is ironicly enough starting to smell li...This forum is ironicly enough starting to smell like a corpse too. I have followed the "Critic" blogs very closely for years now, but never posted anything because of my employment with EAC.. Stan did a great job of bringing the truth to light. Shane did a great job of picking up the torch. The jury is still out on Phil's version, but that is of no fault of his own. In the past few weeks this blog has turned straight-up ugly. What was once a forum of very bright and decent exchange, has now turned into a crazy rant, with no bearing on anything other than impressing your friends by attacking others. <br /><br />Ken, You must be a glutton for punishment! but the fact that you're still here and standing behind what you believe in certainly has my respect. without the current owners perspective something would be missing.<br /><br />Shane, I'm quite disappointed to see your true self, without the constraints of being the moderator. I for one was very disappointed to see you hand over the blog torch. I had become quite addicted to your "snippets" and insight, which at times were so accurate that i would find myself sitting in meetings at EAC looking around to see if I could pick you out. <br /><br />As for the rest of the EA500 haters.. I think we all know who you are! EAC IS DEAD! Is it really that productive to hash out a past that has already been captured in the old Critic blogs?<br /><br />Is it really fair to be doggin a company "EA" that hasen't failed yet? Yes, I know that Press switched horses mid stream! but only the future can truly tell us if that was a bad move.<br /><br />Final question... <br />Can we move on now? There are so many things to be discussed in a more productive manner.. <br />How did they manage to get the windshield coating to work in Chicago?... What could Newco do, to have a chance to succeed?.... What is the word from EOG?... Does a productive dialog have to be moved to Justintime's blog?.... I wish I knew..<br /><br />SP11-Prod-GuySP11-Prod-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07994303204546180672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-41015847328571295562009-08-06T20:39:21.790-07:002009-08-06T20:39:21.790-07:00Shane proclaims, "Ken, in fact, does not own ...Shane proclaims, <i>"Ken, in fact, does not own an EA500."</i><br /><br />Well, I guess that about sums up Shane Price pretty well.<br /><br />The EA500 that Shane says I do not own now has just over 100,000 trouble-free statute miles on it, and is easily one of the best purchases I have ever made. Solid, reliable, fun, fast and affordable jet transport. Just about perfect for an owner/operator.<br /><br />Shane's just bent out of shape that the Eclipse outlasted him without even breaking a sweat :)<br /><br />Bubba--what "beautiful" jet do you personally own? You'll forgive us if we're not anxious to take the word of a guy who names himself "Bubba" as to what looks beautiful, okay?<br /><br />KenKen Meyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18308335985703210568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-91596386762355124272009-08-06T20:33:51.109-07:002009-08-06T20:33:51.109-07:00Ken said: "And that is an amazing testament t...Ken said: "And that is an amazing testament to the aircraft, given that there has been no factory support and very little ability to obtain certain parts for months."<br /><br />It's the "Ugly Baby" syndrome with Ken. Everyone who sees his baby knows it is ugly. Because he is the proud father he can't admit the fact to himself. This group keeps trying to tell him his baby isn't a pretty baby but he refuses to see it for himself.<br /><br />Actually I did see an E500 on the ramp the other day. I was surprised to see one. We get up to 150 biz jet flights per day at our little airport and we rarely see an Eclipse. I was reminded once again how ugly they really are! They are short and squatty and just plain hideous! But then so is a Cirrus Jet (and so was the Eclipse 400).<br /><br />I also saw my first Phenom on the same ramp. Now THERE is a beautiful ship!Bruce Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03460605306526921729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-18899508055970008572009-08-06T20:30:53.300-07:002009-08-06T20:30:53.300-07:00I can't believe you guys are criticizing Ken f...I can't believe you guys are criticizing Ken for buying an Eclipse, when he actually ended up with a flying airplane.<br /><br />What about St. Gunner the Wise? Can his Epic LT shoot a coupled approach to minimums in icing condition? Actually, all he can do is sit in the shell on sawhorses and make turboprop noises. Even were it finished, it would not be certified for FIKI.<br /><br />Of Ken and Rich, who would you said made the better investment?<br /><br />Of course, Gunner may someday get his D-Jet, aka the "FOD Hoover". Someday.RonRoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030875902137047306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-36497065641643495132009-08-06T20:26:21.247-07:002009-08-06T20:26:21.247-07:00"Try the Eclipse Owners website"
Which ..."Try the Eclipse Owners website"<br /><br />Which is pretty much as dead as a doornail. But i can imagine there is a lot going on in the "members only" section.michalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09174532767805868599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-12248449608711641202009-08-06T20:10:30.912-07:002009-08-06T20:10:30.912-07:00Yeah - I know. I should be a missionary. It's ...Yeah - I know. I should be a missionary. It's probably easier to turn a pagan into a Bishop.Baron95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01421355643916832199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-70252459070187423232009-08-06T19:40:44.602-07:002009-08-06T19:40:44.602-07:00Baron, be a realist. It ain't going to happen ...Baron, be a realist. It ain't going to happen on this blog. Too many small mind that want the discussion to only go as far as $3B, no FIKI, no maintenance, blah, blah blah. Try the Eclipse Owners website.gadflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17457192546044419517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-90107973324635929792009-08-06T19:40:01.037-07:002009-08-06T19:40:01.037-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.gadflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17457192546044419517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-33773775386378172442009-08-06T19:24:31.011-07:002009-08-06T19:24:31.011-07:00ATM - I never said Shane is lying. But he doesn...ATM - I never said Shane is lying. But he doesn't seem to have a critical ability to extract relevant facts. For a long time he used to hide behind his "Eclipse Professional Pilot" - himself an embarrassing clueless person, and he frequently hides behind the "if you had the docs I have". And he is most often completely wrong in his facts.<br /><br />These docs are not confidential and they are not protected by copyright. <br /><br />Just post doc/page/text and stop the silliness.<br /><br />In any event I could care less how many deposits Ken had. He paid x+d+m and has a jet. He is flying his jet. He can't change his acquisition or sunk costs. Neither can the other owners.<br /><br />I'm only interested in knowing if this venture will get the assets, if they will have a capacity to upgrade 1,2,3,4 or 5 or whatever planes per month, how much it will cost, and how much the upgraded planes will sell for in the secondary market and how good the support will be.<br /><br />If there is a large upgraded fleet with good support 2 years from now, the used/upgraded EA50 WILL BE THE LOW COST ANCHOR TO GA FAN JET MARKET.<br /><br />That IS RELEVANT to me and to many prospective personal jet owners.<br /><br />A lot of Jet owners were flying CJ1s because there was nothing simpler/smaller/cheaper/more economical. That was the LOW COST ANCHOR - $4.5M.<br /><br />Now the low cost anchor is the used Mustang - a $3M (new) or $2.5M (used).<br /><br />I think having a $1.5M anchor in the form of a used/upgraded/supported EA50 is a good thing.<br /><br />I want to know and discuss the prospects of getting there.<br /><br />Oh, no, wait - there is the matter of the $3B and the matter of Shane's inbox.<br /><br />That may be good to impress Fred - but it is embarrassingly ridiculous.Baron95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01421355643916832199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-40398858119791403782009-08-06T19:11:06.188-07:002009-08-06T19:11:06.188-07:00Shane Price said... PlaneTruth, You don't have...<i><b>Shane Price said...</b> PlaneTruth, You don't have the documents I have.</i><br /><br />Shane I have ALL of the court documents, and document as supplied to the courts by Eclipse. I stand by my statements. You however seem to think simply stating, "well you don't have what I have" is going to carry any weight. Lie on...gadflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17457192546044419517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-86433471230701866822009-08-06T19:07:58.818-07:002009-08-06T19:07:58.818-07:00As for BT's question can Eclipse do coupled IL...As for BT's question can Eclipse do coupled ILS in FIKI conditions...<br /><br />1 - Ken's answer is accurate - Yes, if equipped. We know that there is at least one (but I think there 2 or 3) so equipped. The plane used for EASA/FIKI certification.<br /><br />2 - Furthermore, it is a silly question to begin with. Having autopilot coupled to minimums in icing conditions is a questionable practice at the very least. If I'm carrying ice I'm hand flying or at least will get off AP periodically to check handling. I certainly don't want to risk an AP disconnect with an out of trim plane returned to me at 250 AGL due to an icing out-of-limit condition.<br /><br />So were all the ATRs from American Eagle that were prohibited to flying into known icing after fatal accidents made into "toys"?<br /><br />Was the Mustang a toy jet for the few months it was delivered (IIRC) before they got FIKI?<br /><br />That is so silly - many new turbine types got/get delivered before FIKI is secured. The only thing unusual in the Eclipse is that it took a lot longer than usual - 18 months or so instead of 2-6 months.<br /><br />That doesn't make it a toy jet. It is simply a jet with operating limitations that range from severe (if you are based in New England in the winter) to a non-issue if you are based in New Mexico in the summer. <br /><br />YES. It is a limitation. There is no need to exaggerate, make derogatory comments to the plane or concoct scenarios to try to prove the plane is a toy.<br /><br />It is a plane people. Don't be so invested in its demise that you need to lie and/or exaggerate.<br /><br />It is A PLANE. With known limitations and an uncertain support prospect.<br /><br />There is A PLAN, that may get off the ground to address both the limitations and the support.<br /><br />Why isn't that enough?<br /><br />Oh wait - lets talk about the $3B, about 100 ppl that have multiple deposits, about pyramids, blah, blah, blah, blah....freaking broken record.<br /><br />The discussion should be - will this venture IMPROVE the support situation? Will it IMPROVE the chances of having the planes upgraded faster and at lower costs. Will it ultimately result in firming up the plane resale?<br /><br />Oh no - wait - lets talk some more about $3B, blah, blah, blah.Baron95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01421355643916832199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-10767081736673864092009-08-06T19:00:48.612-07:002009-08-06T19:00:48.612-07:00Baron, I am truly ashamed of you...
If you think ...Baron, I am truly ashamed of you...<br /><br />If you think Shane is lying, compared to Ken... you need to re-think.<br /><br />You will fall into the mindless class of "die-hard" really quickly, and I thought more of you for a long time...<br /><br />Perhaps shame on me.<br /><br />Ken says he did not place 3 deposits with EAC...<br /><br />What a sad state of affairs...<br /><br />You defend his cost numbers, and use him as an example of a real cost (perhaps) of an EA50... his real cost is likely closer to $2M than $1.1 (his number)... and you claim he made a smart choice. I bet his cost is about to go up regarding support as well... stay tuned....<br /><br />What a farce.<br /><br />Ken, what is the BCA comparison number for an EAC new vs new Mustang?<br /><br />This WAS the discussion.airtaximanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12977944795556689805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-35516715314438332932009-08-06T18:54:55.631-07:002009-08-06T18:54:55.631-07:00Plain Truth,
You don't have the documents I h...Plain Truth,<br /><br />You don't have the documents I have.<br /><br />Or you are (like Ken) choosing to ignore fact.<br /><br />Whatever....<br /><br />I know trawling through these papers is a pain, but it's worthwhile. There are loads of interesting details.<br /><br />I'm saving most of them for the book.<br /><br />Want to reserve an advance copy?<br /><br />Send me a 10% deposit, non refundable.<br /><br />Within 6 months of an imaginary publication date, I'll demand a further 60% progress payment.<br /><br />And, after all of that...<br /><br />I won't send you a thing!<br /><br />Can you think of a more perfect scam?<br /><br />I can...<br /><br />ShaneShane Pricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06571348452899329376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-14682632495555413122009-08-06T18:54:40.211-07:002009-08-06T18:54:40.211-07:00"I never did have 3 deposits"
Ken Meyer..."I never did have 3 deposits"<br /><br />Ken Meyer... Aug 6 2009...airtaximanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12977944795556689805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-86789048061820831902009-08-06T18:52:01.637-07:002009-08-06T18:52:01.637-07:00Shane why don't you just post the exact sectio...Shane why don't you just post the exact section of the documents? These docs are not copyright protected and can be pasted at will.<br /><br />Just say, on doc xxxx, page yyyy there is the following text "aaa bbb cccc".<br /><br />It is very easy. You don't need to hide behind "I have the docs, I have email, if you could know what I know".<br /><br />That is so silly and childish and insulting to the readers.<br /><br />If you have info post the source and post the info or a link. Else QUIT.Baron95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01421355643916832199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-25338753387438505182009-08-06T18:49:02.910-07:002009-08-06T18:49:02.910-07:00You gotta love this:
"clear advantage of the...You gotta love this:<br /><br />"clear advantage of the JetComplete program versus the standard new purchase warranty, and therefore NEVER signed an agreement or paid for anything JetComplete hours.:<br /><br />OK, so how much was the warantee worth when it was lost?<br /><br />When someone buys a plane from a real OEM, they obtain a warantee, and it is worth something - KEn lost his... how much should we add to the losses/cost, compared to say the Mustang, where the warantee is still holding?<br /><br />Such a sad state when this discussion is turned to ridiculous levels...<br /><br />-and- <br /><br />"Accuracy is a fundamental of flying. You don't fly to the missed approach holding fix thinking it is the same as the missed approach point, do you?"<br /> <br />- plus the following GEM:<br /><br />"I never did have 3 deposits"<br /><br />really?<br /><br />ARE YOU INSANE?<br /><br />Here's Ken's entire post, which I am sure he will try to erase...<br /><br />"Why Tech,<br /><br />Accuracy is a fundamental of flying. You don't fly to the missed approach holding fix thinking it is the same as the missed approach point, do you?<br /><br />When AT said, "Some placed 4, 5, 6 deposits... Ken for example, had 3 at one point," he was just incorrect. I do not now have 3 deposits; I never did have 3 deposits. <br /><br />When Shane wrote the things he wrote, he was just incorrect. <br /><br />Why not strive for accurate writing here as everywhere else in aviation?<br /><br />Ken"<br /><br />"I never did have 3 deposits." <br /><br />of course you did, Ken.. remember... you had:<br />1- on the plane you received<br />1- on a plane for Shari<br />1- on an E400...<br /><br />That makes 3.<br /><br />You did in fact place 3 deposits with EAC...<br /><br />I have listened to you on this blog for a few years, trying to couch the realities best you can with rosey glasses and as some have put it here... and you make insults and call people liars... you say we should be more accurate, while you act as low as Mr.Raburn himself did for a long time.<br /><br />You try to spin a tall tale for how smart you are, and what a marvelous decision you made... all the while besmerching companies like Cessna and HB with your BS comparisons.<br /><br />I sincerely wish you would just enojy flying your plane, which is obviously the best EA50 ever producded, and is perfect for all your missions, and you and Shari... this would be fine...<br /><br />BUT, every time there is some reson to come back and start the BIG BS all over again, such as now, when someone is perhaps going to begin to help you with your (problem) aircraft... or worse, they will try to begin producing this contraption again and take more folks for a ride... you become the ECLIPSE BS-artist cheerleader again... and blow tons of smoke.<br /><br />I hope everyone remembers this little hissy fit you had over the FACT that you placed 3 deposits with EAC... I know it hurts, but man, YOUR cost, the one BARON feels so complelled to defend is way more than you lead on...<br /><br />Keep sipping fuel... and forget the REAL cost.airtaximanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12977944795556689805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-35909788762011952902009-08-06T18:41:43.928-07:002009-08-06T18:41:43.928-07:00Double 'Ooops'...
Ken only buys stuff fro...Double 'Ooops'...<br /><br />Ken only buys stuff from companies that ARE out of business.<br /><br />Ford Motor Company stand an excellent chance of a third century.<br /><br />I have two examples parked outside my home as I write.<br /><br />As well as two exceptional Mercedes...<br /><br />ShaneShane Pricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06571348452899329376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-59061961628814059822009-08-06T18:35:31.499-07:002009-08-06T18:35:31.499-07:00For the sake of 'truth' in blogging
Ken M...<b>For the sake of 'truth' in blogging</b><br /><br />Ken Meyer only had whatever Ken Meyer THOUGHT he had invested in EAC.<br /><br />His wife, or any other person called 'Ken Meyer' (address(s) supplied from court documents, if required) who also had money 'committed' to Eclipse Aviation Corporation (or any other entity with a similar name) at any time, has NO CONNECTION with our Ken.<br /><br />Ken, in fact, does not own an EA500.<br /><br />He has a 'Fisher Price Jet', as defined by our former blogs. It will, like all infantile fascinations, be discarded in time for more adult equipment.<br /><br />Something like an entry level Ford.<br /><br />Ooops, Shane is wrong again!<br /><br />Ken only buys stuff from companies that are about to go out of business...<br /><br />ShaneShane Pricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06571348452899329376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-48070138181105237942009-08-06T18:33:20.068-07:002009-08-06T18:33:20.068-07:00Shane Price said... Plain Truth, If you need a cop...<i><b>Shane Price said...</b> Plain Truth, If you need a copy of the court documents, I'd be happy to oblige.</i><br /><br />No need, I have an original copy ofmy own. As we both know the document ARE NOT that specific as to the exact debt, and nowhere is JetComplete even mentioned. <br /><br />You can fool those here that do not have the documents, I;m sure Fred will believe anything at this point, but we both know you are not just incorrect on this fact, you are now lying.gadflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17457192546044419517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-11056927460805296462009-08-06T18:26:12.668-07:002009-08-06T18:26:12.668-07:00Black Tulip said... Is the aircraft able to legall...<i><b>Black Tulip said...</b> Is the aircraft able to legally conduct an ILS-guided autopilot-coupled approach to minimums in a known ice environment?</i><br /><br />That may make it ill-equipped, I think we all agree there, it does not make it a toy. Go back to writing fiction.gadflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17457192546044419517noreply@blogger.com