tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post1904800486182541326..comments2023-10-12T06:48:28.266-07:00Comments on Aviation Critic & Enthusiast: For Sale- By Owner (and dealer, and factory)Phil Bellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02845059507310419482noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-66507814002590810452009-09-28T07:55:26.688-07:002009-09-28T07:55:26.688-07:00Scary stuff - the DJet is on the cover of AOPA Mag...<i>Scary stuff - the DJet is on the cover of AOPA Mag.<br />Previously when the A-500 and Eclipse EA500 made the covers of AOPA Mag and Flying, the companies and programs folded within weeks.</i><br /><br />This is known as the Madden Curse.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08301246864437379349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-15370521014505227392009-09-27T23:06:49.678-07:002009-09-27T23:06:49.678-07:00New headline post is up!
(Another "state of ...New headline post is up!<br /><br />(Another "state of the aviation economy piece- wrapping up what I started at Labor Day, but kept finding more interesting articles. I do not want to emphasis gloom. Rather, there is lots of good information available, explaining -more or less- exactly where we are. <br /><br />(Hopefully, this information will reduce some of the frustration with the uncertainty of the past many months).Phil Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02845059507310419482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-14395377152693974492009-09-27T18:09:37.801-07:002009-09-27T18:09:37.801-07:00Scary stuff - the DJet is on the cover of AOPA Mag...Scary stuff - the DJet is on the cover of AOPA Mag.<br /><br />Previously when the A-500 and Eclipse EA500 made the covers of AOPA Mag and Flying, the companies and programs folded within weeks.<br /><br />Lets hope that the DJet escapes the same fate.Baron95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01421355643916832199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-71638831347156426992009-09-27T08:27:30.234-07:002009-09-27T08:27:30.234-07:00Thank you, Sir Julius.
Have the aviation course c...Thank you, Sir Julius.<br /><br />Have the aviation course catalog from CNM sitting in front of me. Think I am going to have to start from scratch with Physics... this is gonna take a while. Once I earn my wings than I will indeed be Flying Cloud (an interesting misnomer made by Phil), but until then, I am a mere Floating Cloud.Floating Cloudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05299351963639492717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-64776413176245283202009-09-27T01:56:19.263-07:002009-09-27T01:56:19.263-07:00Floating Cloud,
floating -- not flying? Clouds a...Floating Cloud,<br /><br /><br />floating -- not flying? Clouds are flying or? ... they are floating<br />like a gas balloon! (One <i>drives</i> a balloon - at least in Germany). <br />Sounds like physics or meteorology...<br />Nomen est omen?<br />Good luck with flying!<br /><br />Julius<br /><br />P.S.: ABQ and balloons - no contradiction!juliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13294426608276923429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-10377840508487868262009-09-25T21:52:42.804-07:002009-09-25T21:52:42.804-07:00Gadfly:
I am so sorry if I misinterpreted your g...Gadfly: <br /><br />I am so sorry if I misinterpreted your good intentions.<br /><br />Really NO need to apologize. I am a woman with a real heart and mind and can not pretend to be otherwise in whatever this cyber space world seems to be. You are not responsible for that my friend. <br /><br />All is well.<br /><br />Floating CloudFloating Cloudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05299351963639492717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-6721415303712119152009-09-25T21:07:45.871-07:002009-09-25T21:07:45.871-07:00Floating Cloud . . . Please forgive me, since you ...Floating Cloud . . . Please forgive me, since you took it as abuse. It was not meant in that way, but to encourage you in your endeavors. I withdraw my last post, since it seems to be a problem.<br /><br />gadflygadflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13191372920897029941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-3594840282693808262009-09-25T20:43:42.474-07:002009-09-25T20:43:42.474-07:00Gadfly:
You’re preaching to the choir or perhaps ...Gadfly:<br /><br />You’re preaching to the choir or perhaps the synagogue, but I agree with you. <br /><br />However, I did not volunteer my participation for abuse. (CW, I’m so there with you).<br /><br />And now I am losing all interest unless Baron finds “real” more interesting than “fake.”<br /><br />Rest assured fine friends, I will continue to follow my desire to fly and see where it takes me. <br /><br />Floating Cloud<br /><br />PS Billy e. Goat, You’re a great guy to call me pal, and I promise to take notes throughout flight training once I get there. Roger that.<br /><br />September 25, 2009 8:31 PM<br /><br /><br />Posted to For Sale- By Owner (and dealer, and factory) <br />Delete Comment CancelFloating Cloudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05299351963639492717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-84309590269505301442009-09-25T20:31:32.642-07:002009-09-25T20:31:32.642-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Floating Cloudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05299351963639492717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-42776772401051536512009-09-25T18:49:19.010-07:002009-09-25T18:49:19.010-07:00Oh, and by the way, ANY Joe Smoe can registered as...Oh, and by the way, ANY Joe Smoe can registered as an interested party and prepare to bid <a href="https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=main&mode=list&tab=login&_ivl=" rel="nofollow"> here </a>Baron95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01421355643916832199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-44155296626406002692009-09-25T18:46:46.136-07:002009-09-25T18:46:46.136-07:00Slightly less boring than the previous discussion ...Slightly less boring than the previous discussion is reading the <a href="https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=713bc6e87f1a76db2c2b20a4bee1e8a5&tab=core&_cview=0&cck=1&au=&ck=" rel="nofollow"> KC-X Tanker RFP</a>.<br /><br />It has 2,000% more pages than the original KC-135 RFQ. So naturally, the KC-X will be 2,000% better, right?<br /><br />Enjoy your tax dollars at work.Baron95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01421355643916832199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-41927446591936132092009-09-25T18:41:33.351-07:002009-09-25T18:41:33.351-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Floating Cloudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05299351963639492717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-40328305877811515032009-09-25T16:50:49.993-07:002009-09-25T16:50:49.993-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.gadflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13191372920897029941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-53003745679289645092009-09-25T15:21:13.805-07:002009-09-25T15:21:13.805-07:00I say "mainly" because there is a race c...<i> I say "mainly" because there is a race component here that cannot be entirely ruled out.</i><br /><br />Damn the Le Mans!Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08301246864437379349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-76194204286463185152009-09-25T14:50:27.517-07:002009-09-25T14:50:27.517-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Floating Cloudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05299351963639492717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-78468940080779608812009-09-25T13:38:45.382-07:002009-09-25T13:38:45.382-07:00Like I said, this is mostly ideological. Thanks fo...Like I said, this is mostly ideological. Thanks for proving me right, ColdWet. You can't even stand to be conversing with people who don't fully align with your ideology on an aviation message board. Suggest you take your own advice and grow a pair instead of running away from an aviation blog over one comment. Thought you were better than that. Guess not.Shadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12180707357967808938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-2375453709094772242009-09-25T09:37:43.428-07:002009-09-25T09:37:43.428-07:00I've had enough of this tripe - good luck y...I've had enough of this tripe - good luck y'all.ColdWetMackarelofRealityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15946506673589233990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-85772004916395935382009-09-25T09:36:42.033-07:002009-09-25T09:36:42.033-07:00If another person of a particular political persua...If another person of a particular political persuasion accuses me of diminished metnal capacity and racism because I disagree fundamentally with Marxist ideology as expressed by an empty suit who happens to be part black I swear I will scream. <br /><br />The opposition to Obama's policies have nothing to do with race and instead is related wholly to this desire to remake the US into something unrecognizable.<br /><br />Had the leader of another nation made the anti-American speech Obama gave to the UN the other day, the American delegation would have walked out protest, in days gone by, you know, when we had a pair.ColdWetMackarelofRealityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15946506673589233990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-74718908513874174212009-09-25T08:28:06.555-07:002009-09-25T08:28:06.555-07:00Speaking of flying lessons, the Federal taxpayers ...Speaking of flying lessons, the Federal taxpayers spent about a million running Dubya through USAF flight school and recieved exactly zip for it. The money produced a marginal pilot who couldn't even show up for monthly Texas Air Guard meetings and had no observed interest in aviation whatsoever.airsafetymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07923869957339462116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-67160440947303618642009-09-25T08:10:11.041-07:002009-09-25T08:10:11.041-07:00Back to talking about airplanes now...Back to talking about airplanes now...Shadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12180707357967808938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-21337168829273823282009-09-25T08:09:36.354-07:002009-09-25T08:09:36.354-07:00I hate to interject politics here, but anyone who ...I hate to interject politics here, but anyone who thinks Obama is any worse than George W. either needs to stop smoking the wacky weed or have their head examined. The current uproar is mainly about ideology and the fact that neither side wants to compromise and meet in the middle. I say "mainly" because there is a race component here that cannot be entirely ruled out.Shadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12180707357967808938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-43575552304212283592009-09-25T06:58:43.323-07:002009-09-25T06:58:43.323-07:00Shane
You're correct . . . but then Engels, L...Shane<br /><br />You're correct . . . but then Engels, Lenin, and Stalin didn't follow the original philosophy, either. But many "modern" workers "believe" themselves to be downtrodden.<br /><br />gadflygadflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13191372920897029941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-66588477109474845852009-09-25T02:30:08.257-07:002009-09-25T02:30:08.257-07:00Baron,
I'm only speculating, but it's eas...Baron,<br /><br />I'm only speculating, but it's easy to imagine that both Boeing and their 787 customers are not under vast pressure to build (or buy) '6 a day'.<br /><br />With the current state of commercial aviation worldwide I'd say there are sighs of relief, all round, that the 787 schedule continues to slide.<br /><br />The other thing to consider is the target market for this bird, which are these mythical 'long and thin' routes. My gut tells me that in difficult times both business and commercial travel will seek the lowest price, even if this means flying hubs rather than Boeing's idea of linking smaller airports over long distances.<br /><br />I can link this back to GA by reminding everyone that Vern bet on high volume to pitch his price so low. One of the key drivers for this volume was to be the air taxi idea, which patently does not exist on the scale Eclipse required.<br /><br />It's possible that the company who 'bet the farm' on the 747 and high volume between hubs could have called the market wrong with 'long and thin'.<br /><br />Just like the English and the French failed to secure a supersonic future.<br /><br />And I've one more 'beef' today.<br /><br />Obama is not a follower of Karl Marx. He's not even close, as he's missing a central pillar of that failed dogma.<br /><br />Why?<br /><br />There are no 'workers' left in the USA....<br /><br />By this I mean that what Marx saw (masses of downtrodden industrial trogs doing the 'three D's) no longer exists in America. The vast majority of the Difficult, Dangerous and Dirty jobs are being done elsewhere.<br /><br />So, gadly, I have to disagree with you. Marx appealed to the huddled masses in Europe, at a time when those with an imagination and a bit of get up and go were emigrating (by the millions) to North America.<br /><br />Except for some my ancestors, who were heading in the opposite direction, but I digress.<br /><br />There were hardly any true Marxist states, ever. The few who came close did so by reducing the entire population to the same level of misery.<br /><br />Albania, Cambodia and North Korea spring to mind, with a sideswipe at Zimbabwe while I'm on a roll.<br /><br />I think you will agree with me that, while things are a bit difficult at present in the good 'ol US of A, you have a long way to go before you reach those levels....<br /><br />ShaneShane Pricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06571348452899329376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-44155145260271671172009-09-24T23:21:41.170-07:002009-09-24T23:21:41.170-07:00Hi Baron,
I reviewed your suggestions for a GA sti...Hi Baron,<br />I reviewed your suggestions for a GA stimulus package- hmmm.<br /><br />I think the government is already doing a fair amount to stimulate GA-<br />NASA/DARPA/DOD has funded a lot of stuff that makes GA like easier (re: GPS, internet, engine, aerodynamics, materials research).<br /><br />FAA does it's part too, with free certification and air traffic control. (And think of all the nav aids that have been maintained for free use, over the decades).<br /><br />As far as a stimulus to get things going, I think the Light Sport Aircraft reg was pretty cool- I think expanding that to a bit more capable airplane *might* be a good thing, maybe to a 4-seater. <br /><br />(But, I have a lot of appreciation for the FAR regs on aircraft certification, and think the industry- and especially the public- is better with them, than without them).bill e. goathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16258371211154585137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6564155214348055642.post-62287643671488629252009-09-24T22:22:43.892-07:002009-09-24T22:22:43.892-07:00Hi Shane,
"I think is fair to say that either...Hi Shane,<br /><i>"I think is fair to say that either jet will have a higher resale value than the FPJ, when your 'twin jet' itch has been well and truly scratched."</i><br /><br />Let's hope our pal Floating_Cloud can get hooked up with one of THOSE with an academic program!<br />:)<br /><br />(Which reminds me- I think the University of North Dakota had some Eclipsi on order- or maybe just participated in a pilot training development for VLJs- at any rate, they <a href="http://www.cessna.com/NewReleases/New/NewReleaseNum-1192249596176.html" rel="nofollow">took delivery of a Mustang</a>).<br />---------------------------------<br /><br /><i>"Eclipse Aviation introduced an in-house mandatory training program for customers of its Eclipse 500 very light twinjet that includes pilot qualification and supplemental training by the University of North Dakota aerospace department. Jet-transition and type-rating courses will be provided free of charge with each Eclipse 500 purchased. A mandatory type-training admission evaluation will cost between $500 and $750. The jet-transition course is slated to begin next summer."</i><br /><br />WOO-HOO; looking back on it, what a crack-head/cracked-head stunt show it was...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.ainonline.com/ain-and-ainalerts/aviation-international-news/single-publication-story/browse/0/article/und-aerospace-to-help-train-eclipse-pilots/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews%5Bmode%5D=1" rel="nofollow">AIN Nov 2002: UND aerospace to help train Eclipse pilots</a>bill e. goathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16258371211154585137noreply@blogger.com